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KevinI3

原發表者是 hojuiyang111
[B]您真幸運，

能突破瓶頸，找到很讚的設定。



不過相信，

沒有泡在音響室調來調去，

累積一定的經驗及參考值，

大概也很難有所突破或找到好聲音。




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除了幸運，經驗及不斷嚐試外

學習一些聲學及機構的基本知識
可以少走一些冤枉路

從朋友的分享也可以找到一些方向及目標

hojuiyang111

原發表者是 KevinI3
[B]

除了幸運，經驗及不斷嚐試外

學習一些聲學及機構的基本知識
可以少走一些冤枉路

從朋友的分享也可以找到一些方向及目標 [/B]

完全認同，

調整要從有理論根據的先下手，

要領是減少誤差。

調整過程可以更有信心，比較容易找到正確的方向。

我的經驗，

沒有合理解釋的調整方式，多半很難留下。

powerman

原發表者是 hojuiyang111
[B]五隻超低音?

感覺很厲害，希望以後有機會去拜訪您。


哈哈，

自己玩自己爽，是有些任性。

有機會多交流除了趣味，還能有所得的。



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謝謝何大大嘗臉!

等到小弟的系統值得何大大的登門到訪及疫情受到控制, 我們再來探討可能性

hojuiyang111

原發表者是 powerman
[B]

謝謝何大大嘗臉!

等到小弟的系統值得何大大的登門到訪及疫情受到控制, 我們再來探討可能性 [/B]

John 客氣了，

還有去拜訪謝兄嗎？有甚麼進化嗎？

有機會幫我問候他。

powerman

原發表者是 hojuiyang111
[B]


John 客氣了，

還有去拜訪謝兄嗎？有甚麼進化嗎？

有機會幫我問候他。 [/B]

謝謝何大大問候謝兄!

小弟會在whatapps群組裡替何大大問候謝兄!

謝兄也退燒![] [] []

hojuiyang111

原發表者是 powerman
[B]

謝兄也退燒![] [] [] [/B]

不會吧…

印象中，謝兄非常發燒，品味也很高。

他還開玩笑要我留在他家幫他調音呢。

hojuiyang111

有理論根據的設定才能走得遠，可是堅持單一的理論會不會有什麼問題？

我想得到的是，
一個設定可能存在著妥協，譬如穩定vs敏感的矛盾。

如震動可以是導出也可以是吸震處理。
空間處理可以是吸收，也可以是擴散。
設定也是多環節的，只專注於某環節，譬如只換線、只專注黑膠，當然也會限制了系統潛力。

所以能明白越多的學理，才能避免不落入徒勞的鑽牛角尖的風險。
比如唱臂的設定牽涉到多少物理理論呢？如果弄不清楚，可能會有錯誤的認知和無效的追求。

原發表者是 hojuiyang111
[B]


完全認同，

調整要從有理論根據的先下手，

要領是減少誤差。

調整過程可以更有信心，比較容易找到正確的方向。

我的經驗，

沒有合理解釋的調整方式，多半很難留下。 [/B]

thanksmanv39

原發表者是 cfan
[B]



圖片來原： https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/is-the-sound-on-vinyl-records-better-than-on-cds-or-dvds.htm[/SIZE] [/B]

原發表者是 hojuiyang111
[B]


對黑膠迷而言，

數位播放雖然不能取代黑膠 ，

現在數位有很多環節可以追求 ，

有些演奏也沒有出黑膠 ，

所以優化數位播出 ，

對很多樂友而言，可能也是很自然的 。 [/B]

供參

1.從真正的理論與技術去瞭解才能對事物更析明。

2.黑膠與數位之爭無甚大意義，知明理論、技術、特性差異、個人需求與目的，才較能降低無意義的紛爭。


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No zealots are as fervent as those who debate digital audio versus vinyl records. Which one really is better?

Proponents of digital audio say it』s a more accurate reproduction with better frequency range; while vinyl fans say the sound is simply warmer, richer, and better.

But heres the reason why the entire debate should be moot: whether the music is stored on vinyl or a CD is just not that important a part of the overall system. Its like deciding which of two different cars is best by comparing their spark plug wires. There are many variables in the process of playing recorded music that affect the sound, from the microphones, to the mixing, the mastering, the playback hardware, the amplifier, and (far and away most important) the quality of the speakers and characteristics of the listening room. Whether the recording was vinyl or CD is simply not one of these important variables. Both methods are easily far superior to any differences the human ear might hope to distinguish.

But I know you still want to hear which one』s better, so what do people prefer in testing? It』s difficult to do comparisons, because music recordings are mastered differently. Engineers will make a new master designed for the intended medium. The separate instrument tracks might be individually equalized, spread across the stereo spectrum, or have a dozen other parameters applied. Thus, a CD and a vinyl pressing of the exact same recorded performance are likely to be very different.

Nevertheless, in 2000, Bulletin of the Council for Research in Music Education published results for the best comparison they could manage: digital and analog recordings of the same concert performance, recorded unequalized and unmixed especially for this test:

「Results showed that music major listeners rated the digital versions of live concert recordings higher in quality than corresponding analog versions. Participants gave significantly higher ratings to the digital presentations in bass, treble, and overall quality, as well as separation of the instruments/voices.」

So what is this intangible 「better experience」 that the vinyl supporters love?

Its about an experience, not about metrics or tabulated results. More senses are involved: the smell of the album cover, the touch of lowering the tone arm into the groove, the sight of the stroboscope indicating the precise turntable speed. Its an immersive experience to which the listener must dedicate focused attention and time. Vinyl records are a hands-on, personal connection to the musician, and thats something no amount of digital perfection can replicate.

References & Further Reading

Blech, D., Yang, M. Convention Paper 6086: DVD-Audio versus SACD: Perceptual Discrimination of Digital Audio Coding Formats. Berlin: Audio Engineering Society, 2004.

Gabrielsson, A., Hagerman, B., Bech-Kristensen, T., Lundberg, G. "erceived sound quality of reproductions with different frequency responses and sound levels." Journal of the Acoustical Society of America. 1 Jan. 1990, Volume 88: 1359-1366.

Geringer, J., Dunnigan, P. "Listener Preferences and Perception of Digital versus Analog Live Concert Recordings." Bulletin of the Council for Research in Music Education. 1 Jul. 2000, Number 145: 1-13.

Lipshitz, S. "The Digital Challenge: A Report." Boston Audio Society. Boston Audio Society, 1 Aug. 1984. Web. 18 Mar. 2012. http://www.bostonaudiosociety.org/bas...

Liversidge, A. "Analog versus Digital: Has Vinyl Been Wrongly Dethroned by the Music Industry?" Omni. 1 Jan. 1995, Volume 17, Number 5: 28.

Nishiguchi, T., Hamasaki, K., Iwaki, M., Ando, A. NHK Laboratories Note No. 486: Perceptual Discrimination between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency Components. Tokyo: Japan Broadcasting Company, 2004.

Repp, B. "The Aesthetic Quality of a Quantitatively Average Music Performance: Two Preliminary Experiments." Music Perception. 1 Jan. 1997, Volume 14, Number 4: 419-444.

Sourisseau, U. "Stereo Disc Recording." Record Your Own Vinyl Discs. Souris Automaten, 11 Apr. 2001. Web. 20 Mar. 2012. http://www.vinylrecorder.com/stereo.html

hojuiyang111

原發表者是 thanksmanv39
[B]


供參

1.從真正的理論與技術去瞭解才能對事物更析明。

2.黑膠與數位之爭無甚大意義，知明理論、技術、特性差異、個人需求與目的，才較能降低無意義的紛爭。


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理論與技術去瞭解才能對事物更析明

這個我贊成，

可是聽音樂還有不科學的感官因素，

相信很多命題也不是那麼容易解讀或分析。



黑膠與數位之爭無甚大意義？

多數討論是建立在使用者的經驗，

通常在分享心得，

有沒有意義當然由看官解讀，

常常讀者心中也有想法。

但建議多觀摩，不要輕易下定論。

討論用意不一定在分高下，

常常討論的新資訊可讓音樂播放更有趣味，更感動心弦。

也期待討論可幫忙看官找到自己適合的播放方式。

hojuiyang111

我很好奇，

這個研究是用什麼樣的黑膠系統去比對什麼樣的數位系統？


而且用那些軟體去做比對呢？

原發表者是 thanksmanv39

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THESE VIDEOS ARE CROWDFUNDED. The next is released the moment its goal is reached: https://infactvideo.com/support.php

No zealots are as fervent as those who debate digital audio versus vinyl records. Which one really is better?

Proponents of digital audio say it』s a more accurate reproduction with better frequency range; while vinyl fans say the sound is simply warmer, richer, and better.

But heres the reason why the entire debate should be moot: whether the music is stored on vinyl or a CD is just not that important a part of the overall system. Its like deciding which of two different cars is best by comparing their spark plug wires. There are many variables in the process of playing recorded music that affect the sound, from the microphones, to the mixing, the mastering, the playback hardware, the amplifier, and (far and away most important) the quality of the speakers and characteristics of the listening room. Whether the recording was vinyl or CD is simply not one of these important variables. Both methods are easily far superior to any differences the human ear might hope to distinguish.

But I know you still want to hear which one』s better, so what do people prefer in testing? It』s difficult to do comparisons, because music recordings are mastered differently. Engineers will make a new master designed for the intended medium. The separate instrument tracks might be individually equalized, spread across the stereo spectrum, or have a dozen other parameters applied. Thus, a CD and a vinyl pressing of the exact same recorded performance are likely to be very different.

Nevertheless, in 2000, Bulletin of the Council for Research in Music Education published results for the best comparison they could manage: digital and analog recordings of the same concert performance, recorded unequalized and unmixed especially for this test:

「Results showed that music major listeners rated the digital versions of live concert recordings higher in quality than corresponding analog versions. Participants gave significantly higher ratings to the digital presentations in bass, treble, and overall quality, as well as separation of the instruments/voices.」

So what is this intangible 「better experience」 that the vinyl supporters love?

Its about an experience, not about metrics or tabulated results. More senses are involved: the smell of the album cover, the touch of lowering the tone arm into the groove, the sight of the stroboscope indicating the precise turntable speed. Its an immersive experience to which the listener must dedicate focused attention and time. Vinyl records are a hands-on, personal connection to the musician, and thats something no amount of digital perfection can replicate.

References & Further Reading

Blech, D., Yang, M. Convention Paper 6086: DVD-Audio versus SACD: Perceptual Discrimination of Digital Audio Coding Formats. Berlin: Audio Engineering Society, 2004.

Gabrielsson, A., Hagerman, B., Bech-Kristensen, T., Lundberg, G. "erceived sound quality of reproductions with different frequency responses and sound levels." Journal of the Acoustical Society of America. 1 Jan. 1990, Volume 88: 1359-1366.

Geringer, J., Dunnigan, P. "Listener Preferences and Perception of Digital versus Analog Live Concert Recordings." Bulletin of the Council for Research in Music Education. 1 Jul. 2000, Number 145: 1-13.

Lipshitz, S. "The Digital Challenge: A Report." Boston Audio Society. Boston Audio Society, 1 Aug. 1984. Web. 18 Mar. 2012. http://www.bostonaudiosociety.org/bas...

Liversidge, A. "Analog versus Digital: Has Vinyl Been Wrongly Dethroned by the Music Industry?" Omni. 1 Jan. 1995, Volume 17, Number 5: 28.

Nishiguchi, T., Hamasaki, K., Iwaki, M., Ando, A. NHK Laboratories Note No. 486: Perceptual Discrimination between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency Components. Tokyo: Japan Broadcasting Company, 2004.

Repp, B. "The Aesthetic Quality of a Quantitatively Average Music Performance: Two Preliminary Experiments." Music Perception. 1 Jan. 1997, Volume 14, Number 4: 419-444.

Sourisseau, U. "Stereo Disc Recording." Record Your Own Vinyl Discs. Souris Automaten, 11 Apr. 2001. Web. 20 Mar. 2012. http://www.vinylrecorder.com/stereo.html [/B]